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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:20:00 -
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There is *nothing going utterly wrong* with the game.
A tiny fraction of the actual playerbase, upset by an add-on the do not like, is spamming the forum with alarming news and writing reviews on thirdy part sites.
This spreads panic and create a bad PR for an excellent game and shouldnt be allowed.
> EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states: "You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System."
Thus: all protesters in Jita and other sistems should receive at least a reprimand for their actions
To be even more precise: > EVE FORUM'S rules state:
a) "Ranting is prohibited" b) "Personal attacks are prohibited" c) "Trolling is prohibited."
Thus all evident rants, trolls and such should receive at least a reprimand for their actions.
Guys, let's be honest, it has become very difficult to effectively use the forums or play the game in business hubs becouse of a tiny percentage of the playerbase is so angry that does not leave the other play.
discuss.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:41:00 -
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>>> "If your momentary dissatisfaction is the sacrifice to be made for the long term benefit of EVE" --> I understand your point but i cannot agree to the abuse of ingame mechanics as a way of protest.
>>> "Nothing is new in EvE its sooo predictable and so boring. Bye ! Guys just leave,play another MMO." --> I do not understand your answer. If someone wants to leave, why has he/she to post? This is extremely contradictory to the point it might be considered a troll posting if there were proper moderation to the forum.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Evet Morrel Well OP for a number of reasons,
1. how would they differentiate between the legitimate Jita visitors and the protestors? the banded players could sue, and surely leave the game and the loss of revenue projections in the business plan may cause investors to panic, 2. because they would like to transition smoothy between the indy game we love and the cash cow their shareholders are driving them to create, 3. because perception inordinately effects share price, 4. because the situation is solvable and consumer action such as this is often effective, even after tremendous loss of trust, etc. etc
You have some good points Evet. Let me share my opinions on those:
1. It is dificult to differentiate and it requires case by case discretion, but it could be done carefully, hit a few to educate others.
2. There is nothing really wrong for a private company to aim to increased profit. I agree it might alienate part of the playerbase but the company could thrive and profit if it manages to create a new larger playerbase.
3. This is true, but there are a lot of ways to accomplish this without clogging nodes and flooding game forums.
4. Again this is true, i do not discuss the reasons, i discuss the methods.
(oh and noticed someone wants to report me for ranting... he is very welcome to do so, and let's forum moderators decide wether am I ranting or trying to openly discuss a difficult issue).
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: cuoredipietra famedoro on 26/06/2011 14:56:59 Edited by: cuoredipietra famedoro on 26/06/2011 14:55:50 Edited by: cuoredipietra famedoro on 26/06/2011 14:54:08
Originally by: Ender sup
Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro > EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states: "You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System."
Never been in 0.0 eh huggybear? Get the **** out.
Check my main (aroon thrace) in game and you will discover I have been to 0.0 several times and quite for a long time. Cloud Ring and Venal just to name a couple regions :-)
Also...
>>>"CCP capped the system early on just in case but I'm sure they are getting a ton of system load data out of it anyways so it may actually end up being a positive in the end." --> this might be very true :-) let's hope this is the case
>>> "c) "Trolling is prohibited." --> renspricechecker2... since when educately discussing an issue is considered trolling?
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2011.06.26 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Frederick Yassavi OP: Are you really so inconvenienced that you'd see many others thrown out for your sake?
Or are you really interested in throwing them out due to a pedantic interest in rules?
I don't get it.
> I do not want others thrown out for my sake. > I am not interested into pedantic following of rules.
My point is that a tiny percentage of the playerbase is reportedly abusing of ingame mechanics making Jita and other nodes clogged.
My other point is that eccessive cheast beating has monopolized several parts of the forums, not to mention some ingame channels.
I just point out the community wants to be vocal about an issue and parts of the community abuse the situation.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2011.06.26 15:08:00 -
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>>> "With the threadnaught having over 10.000 posts and almost over 1 million views, what minority did you want to ban again?"
How many distinct players does the thread contains? Not characters, not accounts but rather actual human beings.
Provided that we have that number, which percentage it makes if you part that number for the actual playerbase?
That would be an accurate metric, not Characters, nor accounts, not even page views.
>>> "Anyone fighting a corp war in a trade hub should be banned. For that matter.....any IN a trade hub should be banned. Everyone causes strain on the server."
I never say that. Dont put words in my mouth that do not belong to me :-)
I said that those protesting right now and by doing so clogging nodes are doing a wrong thing and abusing of an ingame mechanic.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2011.06.26 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Fire Watch Dev blog on Sunday is all the proof that you need.
I do not doubt the situation is so peculiar that requires a Devblog on Sunday.
I do state, however, that those clogging nodes are abusing ingame mechanics.
Just logging off and staying logged for enough days would be enough to signal discontent in the playerbase without harassing those who actually want to play.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Zanetia Edited by: Zanetia on 26/06/2011 16:09:16
Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro Just logging off and staying logged for enough days would be enough to signal discontent in the playerbase without harassing those who actually want to play.
Maybe. But it wouldn't have garnered the attention of the gaming press and generated bad PR for CCP. That's the point of a protest. It's meant to be disruptive in order to call attention to an issue.
The protest has not attracted attention becouse it is disruptive.
It has attracted attention becouse players who also report for gaming blogs and e-zines pointed to forum's articles and leaked mails from CCP.
Being disruptive as it is, the protest risks alienating part of the playerbase that while agree on some points protestors bring forward, still wants to keep playing the game.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Nimbat Hello Mr. Self Important,
The MMO called EVE is known for it's fantastic community. You should come along and experience it yourself.
Oh wait, you're probably a lonely missionrunner.
The fantastic community is part of the 45k that is online right now. You should come along and experience it for yourself.
Oh wait, you're probably a whiny forum attention *****.
Mr Epeen
:-) nice one! but...
I am not an attention *****, I post *very rarely* and a small google search will show you that.
I am concerned about Incarna like many here, but I do not like being unable to access Jita to buy my stuff becouse of protests.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Suicide Failed So what the OP is suggesting is that all the people protesting should be banned!
You are just as bad as a Dictator!
If players are banned for protesting then Eve definately is on the slippery slope to extinction.
Nope, Don't put words in my mouth that do not belong to me!
I am saying that protestors *who abuse* ingame mechanics should get some sort of reprimand.
That could be on the line of a warning or a few days ban for worse cases.
Forums needs to be open to contribution but should receive a lot more of attention and moderation.
I do not see dictatorship in my proposal.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Suicide Failed How are we going against game mechanics? its just people in a system firing on a monument that they are allowed to shoot at! (concord dont respond!)
Is it our fault that the jita node cant handle the amount of people in system? no its CCP's because they own the hardware.
Plus the spamming the forums? well the post that has the most replies and most reads in the last week was actually started by a CCP employee! actually asking for replies!
Get your facts straight OP.
you are a troll.
The fact that Jita has a cap is notorious, blaming hardware is not an excuse for exploiting a known game limitation.
The fact that amassing lots of ships on the same grid makes the game lag is notorioius, this so called light show is put up to willingly lag other users exploiting a known game limitation.
The fact that forum spamming makes a forum less worth reading is self evident.
Calling troll someone who rarely posts on forums and has an otherwise irreprensible conduct ingame demonstrate how far we have gone with this bitterness and that is why forums should receive more caring and moderation.
Dont take it personally, I am not angry with you or your opinions, I'd just like not to be effected by protests ingame.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Elienore
Originally by: Zanetia
^ That one? Better start banning people who participate in blob warfare too then
I said it earlier, and at the same time said that it made me realize banning the protesters probably won't work out.
At the very least, blob warfare has the advantage of being oriented to achieving or denying tactical advantage during a player-driven confrontation...
but here? what do we achieve, a light show?
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nathanael Lemmont
Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
Dont take it personally, I am not angry with you or your opinions, I'd just like not to be effected by protests ingame.
Some more free advice, why not: expressing your opinions on this matter is OK. Hey, you've got your rational self-interest to look after, no big deal. Calling for bans, though, just makes you look like a darling fascist bully-boy. There is in fact such a thing as "proportionate response". Understand it, or else the few posts you do make make you look like a self-entitled pantywaist.
Do with this what you wall, it's all the same to me.
Agreed on the "proportionate response". I do not intend to look like a fascist nor am I. However, what can we call a "proportionate response"?
> a warning mail from GMs? > a few hours ban? > other ideas?
I am just trying to discuss the issue, I know it is a sensible one, I am not trying to act as a dictator or such. :-)
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Elienore
Shooting at the monument may make a system more laggy, but it's mainly the "disproportional" part that I find important here, it's a big cause and as long as they don't act ******ed, I'm satisfied. However, if it goes somewhere akin to "we hatez ccp lulz we r gonna kill the node", then it's free game regarding bans.
Well, on this we both agree :-)
I will login later tonight and will drop into Jita, what i hope is to find the system playable.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nathanael Lemmont
Your best bet, which has almost no chance of succeeding, is to convince the protesters that the present economy is worth more than their present spectacle.
You could certainly try talking to GMs, though, if you feel strongly about it. I can't promise much sympathy, but that would certainly be more proportionate than banning outright.
Good points.
I do not think that I could convince protesters. Maybe Chribba or other prominent characters could... in fact it would be nice to try.
On the other hand, how do I talk to GMs? At most i can petition and add further burden to them.
I dont think it would be wise for them to show up in local Jita, as this would fuel the protestors in system.
I believe however it should be their duty to take initiative, hopefully in a polite way.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: KwaLevu i have alot of stuff selling in koona OP go there and buy it i am sure its not laggy but be careful its lowsec
Cool, i have cloak transports and instaundocks, i'll be fine.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Skellington
Are you related to the Assad family?
If you care to read the thread you will notice that i am attempting to discuss a sensitive issue and I am trying to do so trying to avoid acting bully or such.
There have been some interesting points brought up by several capsuleers.
If you want to contribute you are very welcome.
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